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		<title>By: Steve Martin</title>
		<link>http://aldenswan.com/2009/06/the-politics-of-global-warming-science/comment-page-1/#comment-4461</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the rub.

If people want to believe in unicorns...so be it.

They just not ought FORCE other people to believe in them.

They ought use their own money and alter their own lifestyles to accomodate their unicorn beliefs.

But the totalitarian instincts of the &#039;left&#039; are just too strong, so they would FORCE everyone into believing in their fantasies. And destroy them if they won&#039;t go along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the rub.</p>
<p>If people want to believe in unicorns&#8230;so be it.</p>
<p>They just not ought FORCE other people to believe in them.</p>
<p>They ought use their own money and alter their own lifestyles to accomodate their unicorn beliefs.</p>
<p>But the totalitarian instincts of the &#8216;left&#8217; are just too strong, so they would FORCE everyone into believing in their fantasies. And destroy them if they won&#8217;t go along.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Martin</title>
		<link>http://aldenswan.com/2009/06/the-politics-of-global-warming-science/comment-page-1/#comment-4453</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

  If you believe those examples I cited were foolish, then you are naive.

  That&#039;s one of the hallmarks of leftists...naivete&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>  If you believe those examples I cited were foolish, then you are naive.</p>
<p>  That&#8217;s one of the hallmarks of leftists&#8230;naivete&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Haubrich, FCD</title>
		<link>http://aldenswan.com/2009/06/the-politics-of-global-warming-science/comment-page-1/#comment-4439</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Haubrich, FCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In each of your examples you show how foolish is your positions are.

Being &quot;right&quot; means never having to look at the facts, you just &quot;know&quot; it.

I&#039;ve had enough of your willful ignorance, Steve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In each of your examples you show how foolish is your positions are.</p>
<p>Being &#8220;right&#8221; means never having to look at the facts, you just &#8220;know&#8221; it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had enough of your willful ignorance, Steve.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Martin</title>
		<link>http://aldenswan.com/2009/06/the-politics-of-global-warming-science/comment-page-1/#comment-4438</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

  You just listen to one side.

The left has been wrong on every one of these fear issues in the last 60 years.

The Population Bomb - wrong.
Communism - wrong.
The New Ice Age - wrong
DDT - wrong
Heterosexual Aids - wrong
Secondhand smoke -wrong
Global Warming - wrong

CO2 follows temp rise.  That is the science, Mike.

You guys will be proven wrong again.And you will take away people&#039;s freedoms and destro economies in the process. And you guys will not apologize for it.

Being &#039;left&#039; means &#039;ever having to say you&#039;re sorry&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>  You just listen to one side.</p>
<p>The left has been wrong on every one of these fear issues in the last 60 years.</p>
<p>The Population Bomb &#8211; wrong.<br />
Communism &#8211; wrong.<br />
The New Ice Age &#8211; wrong<br />
DDT &#8211; wrong<br />
Heterosexual Aids &#8211; wrong<br />
Secondhand smoke -wrong<br />
Global Warming &#8211; wrong</p>
<p>CO2 follows temp rise.  That is the science, Mike.</p>
<p>You guys will be proven wrong again.And you will take away people&#8217;s freedoms and destro economies in the process. And you guys will not apologize for it.</p>
<p>Being &#8216;left&#8217; means &#8216;ever having to say you&#8217;re sorry&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Haubrich, FCD</title>
		<link>http://aldenswan.com/2009/06/the-politics-of-global-warming-science/comment-page-1/#comment-4437</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Haubrich, FCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your ignorance is not evidence, and the fact that you hold onto it means that you are not willing to &quot;debate&quot; it at all but to hold up some red herring about this being a &quot;left/right&quot; issue.  There are a great number of things that &quot;leftists&quot; no longer debate:

1.  There is no link between ethyl mercury and autism.
2.  We share common ancestry with the great apes.
3.  The Universe is approximately 14 billion years old.
4.  Light travels at 186000 miles per second.
5.  The earth orbits the sun.

It&#039;s not the &quot;leftists in the schools&quot; it is the scientists in the field actually doing the work and producing the data.  The earth is getting warmer because of human activity, and this is an overall trend measured through a variety of collaborating sources.  The earth has certainly not been getting cooler over the last 10 years, although  there are localized variations in the warming trend, and an unusual spike in 1998 caused by an &quot;el nino&quot; skewed the data to make it look like it was cooling in subsequent years.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/myths/2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The overall trend is still upwards.&lt;/a&gt;

What we hate is having to go over the same things again and again while people like you cover your ears and say &quot;I can&#039;t hear you, I can&#039;t hear you!&quot;  It&#039;s like getting stuck in the Bill Murray movie &quot;Groundhog Day.&quot;

I&#039;ll give you all the resources you need in order to get a better understanding, if you wish.  If you simply wish to fall back on the &quot;leftist&quot; trope, that&#039;s your choice.

Who would you rather learn from on auto mechanics, Steve?  An auto mechanic or an economist.  I would go with the mechanic, myself. 

I bring up the issue of the phraseology being changed to point out that this name change is not some Obama thing, but something recognized while Bush was president, even as his administration politicized the issue.  The change is largely in recognition that there are a large range of changes in both temperatures (some localities will, yes, cool in response to the changes being observed,)increasing numbers of major climate events, rising levels of carbolic acid in the ocean, danger of melting the methane ice buried in Siberia&#039;s tundra, the disruption of the Gulf Stream flow in the Atlantic Ocean which will cause Northern Europe to cool, etc.

I&#039;ll show you where the science is, Steve, just demonstrate that it is you who is &quot;not afraid of the science.&quot;  Or would you rather sit back on your &quot;left/right&quot; stance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your ignorance is not evidence, and the fact that you hold onto it means that you are not willing to &#8220;debate&#8221; it at all but to hold up some red herring about this being a &#8220;left/right&#8221; issue.  There are a great number of things that &#8220;leftists&#8221; no longer debate:</p>
<p>1.  There is no link between ethyl mercury and autism.<br />
2.  We share common ancestry with the great apes.<br />
3.  The Universe is approximately 14 billion years old.<br />
4.  Light travels at 186000 miles per second.<br />
5.  The earth orbits the sun.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the &#8220;leftists in the schools&#8221; it is the scientists in the field actually doing the work and producing the data.  The earth is getting warmer because of human activity, and this is an overall trend measured through a variety of collaborating sources.  The earth has certainly not been getting cooler over the last 10 years, although  there are localized variations in the warming trend, and an unusual spike in 1998 caused by an &#8220;el nino&#8221; skewed the data to make it look like it was cooling in subsequent years.  <a href="http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/myths/2.html" rel="nofollow">The overall trend is still upwards.</a></p>
<p>What we hate is having to go over the same things again and again while people like you cover your ears and say &#8220;I can&#8217;t hear you, I can&#8217;t hear you!&#8221;  It&#8217;s like getting stuck in the Bill Murray movie &#8220;Groundhog Day.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give you all the resources you need in order to get a better understanding, if you wish.  If you simply wish to fall back on the &#8220;leftist&#8221; trope, that&#8217;s your choice.</p>
<p>Who would you rather learn from on auto mechanics, Steve?  An auto mechanic or an economist.  I would go with the mechanic, myself. </p>
<p>I bring up the issue of the phraseology being changed to point out that this name change is not some Obama thing, but something recognized while Bush was president, even as his administration politicized the issue.  The change is largely in recognition that there are a large range of changes in both temperatures (some localities will, yes, cool in response to the changes being observed,)increasing numbers of major climate events, rising levels of carbolic acid in the ocean, danger of melting the methane ice buried in Siberia&#8217;s tundra, the disruption of the Gulf Stream flow in the Atlantic Ocean which will cause Northern Europe to cool, etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll show you where the science is, Steve, just demonstrate that it is you who is &#8220;not afraid of the science.&#8221;  Or would you rather sit back on your &#8220;left/right&#8221; stance?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Martin</title>
		<link>http://aldenswan.com/2009/06/the-politics-of-global-warming-science/comment-page-1/#comment-4431</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

&quot;And Steve’s commentary that liberals are afraid of the science is just ludicrous, and he has lost whatever crumb of credibility that he may have ever had.&quot;

That a load of horse dung and you know it. 

Liberals will not debate on this. The leftists in the schools only give one side.

Leftists hate debate on the topic.

Can you back up that it was the Bush Admin. that changed the name? Does it make it right? The reason it was changed is because the temps in the last ten years have been COOLER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>&#8220;And Steve’s commentary that liberals are afraid of the science is just ludicrous, and he has lost whatever crumb of credibility that he may have ever had.&#8221;</p>
<p>That a load of horse dung and you know it. </p>
<p>Liberals will not debate on this. The leftists in the schools only give one side.</p>
<p>Leftists hate debate on the topic.</p>
<p>Can you back up that it was the Bush Admin. that changed the name? Does it make it right? The reason it was changed is because the temps in the last ten years have been COOLER.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Haubrich, FCD</title>
		<link>http://aldenswan.com/2009/06/the-politics-of-global-warming-science/comment-page-1/#comment-4422</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Haubrich, FCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quotes taken out of context to change the meaning or alter the intent of the original writer are dishonest.  You have seen this when groups such as the &quot;Disco &#039;Tute&quot; take Darwin&#039;s famous quote about the natural development of the eye to be &quot;absurd&quot; and leave it at that when the passage that follows lays out a complete explanation of how it could happen naturally.  Quote-mining in that context would indicate that even Darwin didn&#039;t believe what he was writing, so no one else should.

In the case here, where the CEI is trying to make the case that the supposed &quot;suppression&quot; of the paper occurred during the Obama administration, they are conveniently leaving out the fact that in 2007 Carlin had trouble getting this commentary approved by MacFarland (sp?).  Are FOX news reporting that?  No, they are trying to hide it.

It is also interesting to note that in this commentary, Carlin is in some places making the case that Anthropogenic Global Warming is a fact and that he is proposing a different solution, yet in other places he is trying to say that it isn&#039;t a fact.  This is another reason that the commentary didn&#039;t meet the standards for publication.

Plagiarism, or unattributed quotes, as in this case should not be published and attributed to the author; which is another reason that this should not have been included.  It had nothing to do with the Obama administration trying to hide the facts from the American people.

This particular incident is an example of the RWS trying to scare up a &quot;conspiracy&quot; where there is none.

And Steve&#039;s commentary that liberals are afraid of the science is just ludicrous, and he has lost whatever crumb of credibility that he may have ever had.

Finally, I am interested in learning more about the data that don&#039;t meet the standards.  Can you tell me more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quotes taken out of context to change the meaning or alter the intent of the original writer are dishonest.  You have seen this when groups such as the &#8220;Disco &#8216;Tute&#8221; take Darwin&#8217;s famous quote about the natural development of the eye to be &#8220;absurd&#8221; and leave it at that when the passage that follows lays out a complete explanation of how it could happen naturally.  Quote-mining in that context would indicate that even Darwin didn&#8217;t believe what he was writing, so no one else should.</p>
<p>In the case here, where the CEI is trying to make the case that the supposed &#8220;suppression&#8221; of the paper occurred during the Obama administration, they are conveniently leaving out the fact that in 2007 Carlin had trouble getting this commentary approved by MacFarland (sp?).  Are FOX news reporting that?  No, they are trying to hide it.</p>
<p>It is also interesting to note that in this commentary, Carlin is in some places making the case that Anthropogenic Global Warming is a fact and that he is proposing a different solution, yet in other places he is trying to say that it isn&#8217;t a fact.  This is another reason that the commentary didn&#8217;t meet the standards for publication.</p>
<p>Plagiarism, or unattributed quotes, as in this case should not be published and attributed to the author; which is another reason that this should not have been included.  It had nothing to do with the Obama administration trying to hide the facts from the American people.</p>
<p>This particular incident is an example of the RWS trying to scare up a &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; where there is none.</p>
<p>And Steve&#8217;s commentary that liberals are afraid of the science is just ludicrous, and he has lost whatever crumb of credibility that he may have ever had.</p>
<p>Finally, I am interested in learning more about the data that don&#8217;t meet the standards.  Can you tell me more?</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
		<link>http://aldenswan.com/2009/06/the-politics-of-global-warming-science/comment-page-1/#comment-4415</link>
		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, 

I thought your comment interesting on plagiarism.  What difference does it make? What difference does it make that it&#039;s not a &quot;paper&quot; but a &quot;comment?&quot;  What difference does it make that it&#039;s poorly written?  

You always use &quot;quote-mining&quot; as a defense. A quote-mine is nothing more than a quote that you don&#039;t like.  Are his quotes taken out of context?  Do they misrepresent the intent of the author?  I&#039;ve mentioned countless times that environmentalists &quot;data mine&quot; - the model fails to account for much of the data, which actually contradicts the presumptions. By the way, do you happen to know what percent of the U.S. temperature data comes from stations which don&#039;t meet the standards?  And we&#039;ve supposedly got the best data!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, </p>
<p>I thought your comment interesting on plagiarism.  What difference does it make? What difference does it make that it&#8217;s not a &#8220;paper&#8221; but a &#8220;comment?&#8221;  What difference does it make that it&#8217;s poorly written?  </p>
<p>You always use &#8220;quote-mining&#8221; as a defense. A quote-mine is nothing more than a quote that you don&#8217;t like.  Are his quotes taken out of context?  Do they misrepresent the intent of the author?  I&#8217;ve mentioned countless times that environmentalists &#8220;data mine&#8221; &#8211; the model fails to account for much of the data, which actually contradicts the presumptions. By the way, do you happen to know what percent of the U.S. temperature data comes from stations which don&#8217;t meet the standards?  And we&#8217;ve supposedly got the best data!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Haubrich, FCD</title>
		<link>http://aldenswan.com/2009/06/the-politics-of-global-warming-science/comment-page-1/#comment-4411</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Haubrich, FCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess Colbert is right.  &quot;Reality has a well-known liberal bias.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess Colbert is right.  &#8220;Reality has a well-known liberal bias.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Haubrich, FCD</title>
		<link>http://aldenswan.com/2009/06/the-politics-of-global-warming-science/comment-page-1/#comment-4410</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Haubrich, FCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched your little video, and guess what?  Climatologists know how to read the effects of solar cycles and volcanic activity, and how to test the null hypothesis related to the cycles.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/glob-warm.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here is a brief explanation.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched your little video, and guess what?  Climatologists know how to read the effects of solar cycles and volcanic activity, and how to test the null hypothesis related to the cycles.  <a href="http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/glob-warm.html" rel="nofollow">Here is a brief explanation.</a></p>
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