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	<title>Comments on: Atheists: Forget the Old Testament</title>
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		<title>By: Symon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All,

This is a good site.

Regarding the discussion, my thought is that scribes / prophets havent fully noted down the context of the Mosiac law. Its highly possible that God gave two options to Israel. one being with violence and other being in peace. And God thought that Israel would choose peace. The pointer in old testament, I am providing is that Israel&#039;s demand for a king to lead them, of course in war.

In New testament, Jesus says that you need to follow what he taught them and not what they heard earlier. It can be only true if the Old  testament is wrong or that it is incomplete. But Jesus never says it is wrong but rather he came to fulfil and so which leaves the possiblity of being incomplete. That means that some of the prophets avoided the right path and took the option of violence.

Regarding the choices they have taken , Jesus mentions about certain towns in Israel choosing wrong path and that their judgement would be harsh. It fits in the parables which Jesus told regarding forgiving ones trespasses. So since Israel didnt forgive the trespasses of others, it will also not be forgiven</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All,</p>
<p>This is a good site.</p>
<p>Regarding the discussion, my thought is that scribes / prophets havent fully noted down the context of the Mosiac law. Its highly possible that God gave two options to Israel. one being with violence and other being in peace. And God thought that Israel would choose peace. The pointer in old testament, I am providing is that Israel&#8217;s demand for a king to lead them, of course in war.</p>
<p>In New testament, Jesus says that you need to follow what he taught them and not what they heard earlier. It can be only true if the Old  testament is wrong or that it is incomplete. But Jesus never says it is wrong but rather he came to fulfil and so which leaves the possiblity of being incomplete. That means that some of the prophets avoided the right path and took the option of violence.</p>
<p>Regarding the choices they have taken , Jesus mentions about certain towns in Israel choosing wrong path and that their judgement would be harsh. It fits in the parables which Jesus told regarding forgiving ones trespasses. So since Israel didnt forgive the trespasses of others, it will also not be forgiven</p>
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		<title>By: Rev. W. R. Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev. W. R. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed your post.  I am constantly attacked by atheist and they always talk about the bible and its contradictions but they can never point them out.  Also, they love to bring up the old testament and the Mosaic Law.  Also, I believe Paul was referring to the process of sanctification as we are being conformed into the image of Christ but it will not be complete until we are freed from the flesh and receive our new bodies after the second coming of Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed your post.  I am constantly attacked by atheist and they always talk about the bible and its contradictions but they can never point them out.  Also, they love to bring up the old testament and the Mosaic Law.  Also, I believe Paul was referring to the process of sanctification as we are being conformed into the image of Christ but it will not be complete until we are freed from the flesh and receive our new bodies after the second coming of Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the N.T. ought be used to interpret the Old.

I agree that a much clearer picture of Biblical truth (Jesus) is painted in the N.T.

If I could have only one, I would pick the N.T. hands down.

Luther (and others) said that certain books in the Bible carry more weight than others.

The Gospels, Romans, Ephesians, Galatians, etc. These books contain a strong picture of Law and Gospel. They show us our need of a savior and the Savior we need.

I agree with you, Alden!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the N.T. ought be used to interpret the Old.</p>
<p>I agree that a much clearer picture of Biblical truth (Jesus) is painted in the N.T.</p>
<p>If I could have only one, I would pick the N.T. hands down.</p>
<p>Luther (and others) said that certain books in the Bible carry more weight than others.</p>
<p>The Gospels, Romans, Ephesians, Galatians, etc. These books contain a strong picture of Law and Gospel. They show us our need of a savior and the Savior we need.</p>
<p>I agree with you, Alden!</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your emphasis on the the NT as the more complete revelation is right on. But I would add that it, too, is incomplete. In his first letter to the Corinthians Paul writes of the end of the age: &quot;Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.&quot; Even the presence of the Holy Spirit is only a foretaste of what is to come. The two testaments, then, are a continuum of revelation. Each is trustworthy for what it is, but neither is complete.

I don&#039;t have problems with the Old Testament as a revelatory source, nor do I shy away from the complex picture of God drawn there. For a literary Bible guy, the Old Testament is at times much more interesting and vibrant, being, as it is, a description rather than an explication.

Rock on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your emphasis on the the NT as the more complete revelation is right on. But I would add that it, too, is incomplete. In his first letter to the Corinthians Paul writes of the end of the age: &#8220;Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.&#8221; Even the presence of the Holy Spirit is only a foretaste of what is to come. The two testaments, then, are a continuum of revelation. Each is trustworthy for what it is, but neither is complete.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have problems with the Old Testament as a revelatory source, nor do I shy away from the complex picture of God drawn there. For a literary Bible guy, the Old Testament is at times much more interesting and vibrant, being, as it is, a description rather than an explication.</p>
<p>Rock on.</p>
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