That’s a good one! A real knee slapper!

Whatever. I’ll step out, too.

I hate “religion” also.

I think God is not too pleased with “religion” either…He is after faith in His Son, and that alone.

Sure, I’m not a biologist, but I do have common sense. Enought to know that each camp here operates from faith.

Enough to know that science is constantly changing it’s sphere of knowledge to erase some and add other.

Enough to know that scientists are still just men(and women – I hate it that we have to do that these days) with the normal bias’ that all men have.

This is very short and to the point. Worth checking out:
http://extranos.blogspot.com/2009/02/scientific-bias.html

I’m stepping out of this one now… see you in a new post.

How well do you then understand biology? Enough to get by?

What you both ignore is that the battle over evolution and religion was hashed out in the 19th century and evolution was unearthed and investigated by people who were creationists trying to prove the accuracy of the bible and the creation story. You should take the time to acquaint yourself with the full development of the theory before you start insulting the motives of people who have been unearthing nature’s secrets as some sort of justification for affirming their “hatred of the living god.”

It is just your sort of thinking and talking that drove me away from religion in the first place. If I have to suspend my disbelief in science so much so in order to practice religion, and if the things that religion teaches contradict what I can see with my own eyes, then religion loses out.

If Augustine wrote one thing that makes sense, then it is his statement that misstating the facts of the natural world in order to promote religion is a fool’s game.

Your continued denialism in the face of the evidence of evolution leads me to the conclusion that you will never be interested in anything that contradicts your “faith.” Instead you will continue to follow the lead of those who don’t understand that the process of science is a matter of investigation and not faith.

And Alden, I am still trying to figure out how a method of science that includes the supernatural is supposed to work in yielding objective information.

Finally, as to the accusation that scientists are only interested in protecting their money, power and authority; I would suggest that religion is lashing out on this issue because of its fear of losing hegemony.

We don’t talk much about evolution at all in the early seventies, and we understood biology just fine.

Mike, you’ve got more faith in things unproven (and unprovable) than I’ll ever have.

And, I suspect that atheism does have something to do with it, but it’s not just about that. It’s about money, power, the system… similar to the global warming crowd. It’s about entrenched ideas, the status-quo, all of that. And, I’m sure with a little research I can find all sorts of examples in other fields where the same kind of power struggle goes on…

This kind of thinking is what has caused a method of study to evolve into a worldview.